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June 19, 2008 5:06 PM  (go back to main view)
Art and Street photography

According to the great artist Jörg Colberg, street photography is rubbish "For me, looking at street photography is like watching a "sitcom" like "Friends": the jokes are all just a bunch of fairly lame one liners". Quoted from his Blog

According to him, pictures like this, are meant to truly ask question's and stimulate the viewer, personally I've seen better work in an Ikea catalogue.

I see this master has a new book and exhibit out. If it's meant to be a documentation of bonfire builders where are the people that construct them, what do they look like what are there story's. It's like photographing a church cermon, without a priest or participants.

In fifty years time people will look at those pictures and say this tells me nothing about that time in the past. As without the written text there is no context to the images. The images themselves don't even illustrate what the text talks about.

It's Ironic that a visual medium, has to rely on written words to justify itself.

Although Friends is a pretty trite sitcom, I recently read an interview where the writers of Peep Show were discussing how good comedy is the hardest genre to write, yet yeilds the least respect as a writer or performer. Those of you who have not yet seen peep show the sitcom, I recomend you do so post haste.

Here is my latest disasterpiece, what a waste of an x-pan I know. I had some prints returned to me from a gallery with the in debt critque in a letter of a single line "Subject matter not appropriate".

Just merely being an image "taker" who just gets lucky, I need to become a real artist and image "maker" like here. That last person I linked also has some really interesting opinions on vernacular photography. I walked off mid conversation, so I didn't really get the full light of wisdom.

Now back to the darkroom. (no pun intended).

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Blog Comments (22):
Posted by AdamKozlow... on July 31, 2008 6:19 AM
hehe i read this blog entry only now. jorg m colberg is worse than the wankerboy, really. i seem to enjoy wankerboy a lot, i sympathize with gear-wankers who masturbate to photos of expensive cameras and lenses. but colberg... fucking waste of taxpayer's money and internet bandwidth and gallery space. and air too. not to mention drinking water and toilet paper. such a waste.
Posted by Mark Taylo... on July 09, 2008 12:05 PM
Mmm.
Mr Colberg should maybe keep his expert opinions to himself, in case he ends up looking an arse. Oops too late.
All his photos seem devoid of anything emotional or interesting. Clinical. I know what I would rather look at and it isn't an image of someone's desk.

Laura McGovern's pictures made me laugh to be honest. I hate all that bullshit highbrow crap. Reminds me of modern art where anything can be art if you call it so. Just put a label next to it with something pretentious written on it and suddenly you are a great artist.

Bollocks to that say I.

Keep up the good work man, you are making great photographs.
Posted by mrLarios on June 21, 2008 12:10 PM
Dude!!! I like that pig shot!! I think it very creative!!

Posted by Treamus on June 24, 2008 11:27 AM
Thanks mate.
Posted by Valdudes on June 20, 2008 1:53 PM
Comedy is the hardest to write because you can't bullshit it into being good, people laugh or they don't, it's funny or it's horrible. You can't package all nice the bullshit it really is like that Bonfire series...jesus. I actually really like the pig picture, just because it captures such a ridiculous moment.
Posted by Treamus on June 20, 2008 12:34 PM
Thanks buddy
Posted by Carlo on June 20, 2008 7:15 AM
The guy's bonfire "documentary" is boring to say the least... A 10yo with a single use camera could have done the same (or better).

Anyway, great use of the panoramic format with the pig!
I am waiting for an entry on the street performer's competition!
(I was around but I did not feel like taking too many photos, just wanted to relax ;) )
Posted by Treamus on June 20, 2008 12:25 PM
Yes despite the fact it was taken with a view camera, a disposable camera could have gotten better exposures.

I was only at the street performer's competition for about 20 minutes that was the only shot I got, sorry.
Posted by Darren Aba... on June 20, 2008 4:16 AM
As usual, Christian beat me to the appropriate response to the "real" art. That guy has got to be addicted to some sort of pill. I mean Mr. Fuckwad Expert, not Christian... Although maybe he is too. ;-)
Posted by Treamus on June 20, 2008 12:31 PM
Have you seen that guys website, I mean who is he to charge money for portfolio judging, it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Posted by Perald Jam... on June 19, 2008 7:20 PM
That bonfire story is a perfect example of how to really document an event wrong. I don't think you could do a worse job.
Posted by Treamus on June 20, 2008 12:33 PM
Where are the fires, where are the people, he's trying to copy Donovan Wylie, and failing badly.
Posted by pete on June 19, 2008 7:14 PM
As far as intentionally conceptual photography goes - fair enough - some people get off over it - i know a lot of people here don't.

To be honest though - even if you don't intend there to be any 'message' or 'meaning' in your images - theres always something there that someone can read into - its not all total bullshit.

The problem with people who make intentionally conceptual photographs (and people who look at and study them to much) is there there work becomes of interest only to other conceptual artists/photographers + a lot of them come off as stuck up there own arse.

The reverse holds true for people like this lot - http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/forums/ubbthr eads.php and this lot http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/ - there images are only of interest to people like themselves who are obsessed with equipment, images of birds, fields, cats and nothing more.

Your work doesn't have to be consciously conceptual to have meaning (for lack of a better word - maybe information is a better term) in it - it automatically has it due to your religious, political and and philosophical views (or lack of them).

What I’m trying to say is that and good photographers work will have meaning regardless of them intending to have it or not.

You admitted that you document the changing social landscape of dublin - thats a narrative to your work and thats getting very close to concept.

That image of the inflatable pig and children is bursting with semiotics, signs and analogies about ‘over reliance on the state’ ‘big brother’ and if you take a step backwards and look at the overall world picture it is a effective commentary on how countries who suck up supper powers are looked after and everyone else has to look on from the sidelines.

Thats my opinion anyway.
Posted by Treamus on June 20, 2008 1:14 PM
Thanks for the well thought out comment.
I could not agree more “there work becomes of interest only to other conceptual artists/photographers” it’s like they surround themselves with yes men. Although there has been some excellent conceptual photographers produced from the genre, it is slow to evolve due to it’s inability to self criticise itself and reliance on brand names.
I liked the way you linked the Leica forum to illustrate the point, for years I stayed away from Leica user brigade because of there equipment over substance approach.

I’m a big believer in having a consistent style and theme in a photographic body of work, I would say that even though I’m new to photography, I am slowly developing themes and a certain look. The cornerstone of photojournalism is theme and story.
My issue is with photographers whose written concept looses itself in the written context, rather than the actual images that are meant to tell the story.

To me even a snapshot from a camera phone of a crowded street can tell more about society to me, than any photo of a empty car park or field with a 4x5 view camera. I find street photography raises far more ambiguous questions, then empty scenes.

Despite the fact most of my personal work is giving more answers then questions, most street scenes reveal far more mysteries than critics give them credit for.
Posted by Abk on June 19, 2008 5:16 PM
Hey :) I don't know enough about Jorg to critique his work... but i dont agree with his bashing of other photographic genres its just not right, i think that this type of elitism used by various people in the "art world" (i use that very loosely) is used by eurocentric bastards as my lecturer would say. Anyway you are a great photographer and Peep show ;) nice. Just out of curiosity what gallery declined your prints? Agh Laura she graduated from dit last year i think.... I know i didnt really say anything conclusive, but I feel that general bashing of styles/genres of photography just because it does not fall into your tastes/style is bad.

When did you shoot the image above? and what has lured all the kids in?
Posted by Treamus on June 20, 2008 12:42 PM
It's funny how closed minded these elitists are, yet people who practice more more low brow genres are more open.
Thanks for the compliment, but I would not consider myself great, only above average, there's hordes better out there.
It was the bog standard Dublin Photographic centre.
It was at the Dublin street performance championship.
Posted by Jeremy Bro... on June 19, 2008 4:25 PM
Screw em... I like what you do.
Posted by Treamus on June 20, 2008 12:33 PM
Thanks.
Posted by Obsidian-F... on June 19, 2008 4:03 PM
Haha.. thanks Mahomo for that! The cat does work on par with Mr Duncan ;)

Subject matter not appropriate, what a farce..

I know you wont let those donkeys have the last word, so keep shooting, you have alot of people who enjoy your work
Posted by Treamus on June 20, 2008 12:34 PM
Thanks mate.
Posted by mahomo on June 19, 2008 3:53 PM
is he having a fucking laugh? that flickr set is shit pie, the only way i was stimulated was by counting up the number of things that were bad about each picture. i've seen a fucking cat take better shots, just type 'mr lee cat' into google.
Posted by Treamus on June 20, 2008 12:37 PM
The only way I was stimulated was when I closed windows explorer.
Dear god that mr cat lee is the most scary thing I have ever seen, what poor lonely person would buy one of those, crazy.
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